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Will You Make Government Your God? The Case Against Mormons Supporting Obama

The election is less than a week away and it’s time that we address the abominable Harry Reid. There are a few reasons this is necessary.

First, Gregory A. Prince wrote an article in which he bragged about how little he knows about Mormonism. One of his claims is that Romney has somehow “sullied” Mormonism. When Reid was asked about this comment he just had to agree. I’m not sure why Reid thinks he’s any kind of authority on Mormonism. This is the same Harry Reid who bore false witness against Romney at least twice (God should make a law against that or something). He is now lying about Romney and claiming some kind of technicality to make himself feel better about. This is clearly a man who has sold his soul for a fleeting moment of earthly power.

Second, there was a rash of blog articles and news stories several weeks back that proclaimed, “I’m Democrat because I’m a Mormon, not in spite of it!” Go ahead, say whatever you have to to make yourself feel better.

Third, I’ve had several friends from church come out in open support of Obama. Let’s say you take away the obvious things like Obama’s sociopathic lying and despicable stance on abortion (“I don’t want them punished with a baby!”). You are indeed supporting these positions when you vote for the O, but can you make the case that supporting Obama makes you more compassionate? That voting for welfare and “insurance” for all outweighs everything else?

The answer is easy: no.

In a philosophical sense, this is where people like Gregory A. Prince (Ph.D.!) stumble. He states that we have a “sacred obligation to assist the less able.” In the next sentence, he almost touches on a key tenet of the church, which is this: “Work is a guiding principle in the Church’s welfare program.” Our president views government welfare as a vote-harvesting system instead of as a hand-up.

Even this misses the more important point. Welfare is not the responsibility of the government! As Prince brags about the church’s welfare system he conveniently forgets about another tenet of the church: self-reliance and preparedness. We should be prepared for circumstances that might place us in need. Should you not have sufficient resources, then you turn to your family. Should your family have insufficient resources then you turn to church welfare. Should the church not be able to take care of you, then turn to the community. The federal government should provide a safety net as a last resort.

Some may disagree and that’s okay. But consider this:

  • When giving to the government, it is estimated only about .30 of every dollar is used for its intended purpose
  • When donating to LDS Charities, 100% of your donation goes to the cause
  • Most other reputable charities keep their operating costs below 10%

Why would you want to trust a bloated federal bureaucracy when people are in need? What’s more, shouldn’t you have a say in how your money is used?

Mormons believe that for each of God’s “institutions”, there is likely a sinister knock-off. This particular issue is a great example. God has a system to provide for His people, but the government provides an alternate system that replaces God with the government. This does not mean that the government programs are inherently evil. It does not mean that those who implement the programs are ill-intentioned. In the case of government welfare it seems clear that it’s being used to obtain power. This is certainly evil. Either way, it cannot ever work as well as God’s program.

Theologically, this is where the argument falls apart for well-intentioned Mormons voting for Obama. A great read concerning this is Marion G. Romney’s conference talk titled “Socialism and the United Order Compared“.

I believe that Mitt Romney understands the plan. I believe that most Americans understand the plan. Your government seeks to enslave you through taxes, which will be collected with a gun to your head if you don’t comply. The government enslaves the welfare recipients by giving them handouts in exchange for votes. God’s plan allows us to choose for ourselves. As George Albert Smith said, “… I believe our Heavenly Father is giving us our opportunity for development. … We will discover now whether the love the Savior said should be in our hearts is among us.”

So, will you make government your god? If you’re Harry Reid then that’s an easy answer: yes.

  1. eric boyer
    January 4th, 2013 at 16:52 | #1

    Yes Brad, you’re still an idiot. Just because you can’t understand someones point doesn’t make you right. Romney could have been a good representative of Mormonism, instead he made Mormons look sneaky and secretive, and frankly he lied so often– dishonest– which they AREN’T.
    To simply equate taxation with slavery is pure idiocy. Does tithing make you a slave to a church? How Brad, does a country become a superpower, without taxation, and how does the church build and spread the word of God without tithing?

  2. January 5th, 2013 at 20:40 | #2

    Hi eric,

    I suppose I should start with an apology. When you said “So now you get to tell us which are the good mormons and the bad mormons” in a previous post I misread your point. I got the part where you were deriding for making a judgement against Harry Reid. What I missed was the part where you reserved this right for yourself. I didn’t understand that you were allowed to do what you chastised me for doing. And without any rudimentary understanding of the beliefs of the Mormon church, to boot. You’re right, I am an idiot for not picking that up.

    I gave at least one very specific example of Reid’s dishonesty (bearing false witness against Mitt Romney regarding his payment of taxes, which Reid did at least twice). In a stinging reply you gave an example of when Mitt Romney…wait a second…you didn’t give an example! You sneaky brainiac! (Free advice: I understand that ad hominem attacks are trendy with you and your friends, but it doesn’t help you with your argument. It kind of makes you look like you don’t know what you’re talking about.)

    Anyway, let me continue to waste my breath by pointing out how deeply you do not understand what you are talking about. A classic example from the Book of Mormon tells of people who were brought into bondage through taxation. In Mosiah 7:22 it says, “…we at this time do pay tribute to the king of the Lamanites, to the amount of one half of our corn, and our barley, and even all our grain of every kind, and one half of the increase of our flocks and our herds; and even one half of all we have or possess the king of the Lamanites doth exact of us, or our lives.” In the next verse it continues, “…is not this grievous to be borne? And is not this, our affliction, great? Now behold, how great reason we have to mourn.”

    Those people certainly felt that this type of taxation amounted to slavery. There is also the story of King Noah who taxed the people “one fifth part of all they possessed” and then wasted it away on frivolous spending (Mosiah 11:3). The book of Mosiah gives other examples of slavery through taxation, as does the Book of Mormon generally.

    To compare taxes to tithing is just plain silly. If you don’t pay tithing no one comes to your house with a gun. On the other hand, to quote the verse above, we better pay what the government “doth exact of us, or our lives.” The argument is moot anyway since you base it on a false assumption. I am gladly willing to pay taxes so that we can have highways and a military. I do not agree that I should be forced to pay taxes so that my kids can indoctrinated in public schools. I should not be forced to pay taxes that are funneleled to Planned Parenthood to support their abortion clinics. The list of waste and corruption is endless and you know it.

    So, to summarize, if I don’t agree with agree with Harry Reid then I’m an idiot. If you don’t agree with me then I’m an idiot. Thanks for taking the time to put me in my place. But most of all, thanks for making me feel so smart!

    If you are interested in learning instead of just trolling, then you really should read the article that was posted in the post you commented on: http://scriptures.byu.edu/gettalk.php?ID=1476

    Brad

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